Industry & Services >> CEO Interviews >> July 22, 2002

R. Langley / J. Hart – Pico Holdings Inc (pico)

RONALD LANGLEY is Chairman of PICO Holdings, Inc. He is an Australian who has lived in the United States since 1984. Mr. Langley was a securities analyst prior to joining Industrial Equity Limited, an Australian strategic investment company, in 1975. IEL was a pioneer in applying the Graham and Dodd value investing approach to active investment in other public companies. Graham and Dodd investing involves the purchase of individual securities at a substantial discount ('margin of safety') to underlying intrinsic value, as estimated by fundamental security analysis. In 1979, Mr. Langley became responsible for IEL's worldwide investments, which were made through Hong Kong-listed Industrial Equity (Pacific) Limited. During the decade from 1979 until 1989 (the year that Mr. Langley left IEP), book value per share grew at an estimated annual compound rate of approximately 36%. Profile
JOHN HART is President and Chief Executive Officer of PICO Holdings, Inc. He met Mr. Langley when IEP was accumulating positions in North America in 1984 and 1985. At that time, Mr. Hart was a principal in a firm which provided investment banking services to small cap and mid-cap companies. The firm was a pioneer in the development and application of analytical software to identify potential acquisition candidates using Graham & Dodd techniques. In 1991, Mr. Hart left the investment banking practice and joined forces with Mr. Langley to search for a listed company which met their investment criteria, and which could become a platform for an entrepreneurial investment operation. This process culminated in them structuring the Physicians transaction in 1993, at which time they became members of the Board, ultimately taking management control of the company in 1995 when Mr. Langley was named Chairman and Mr. Hart President and Chief Executive Officer. Profile
TWST: Could we begin with a brief historical sketch of PICO Holdings,

followed by an overview of what the company is doing at the present

time?

Mr. Langley: That question is best answered in