TWST: May we start with a short history and overview of your company?Mr. Lashinsky: ZipRealty was the first company that really took the lead of
bringing all of the housing inventory available to consumers and made it
available through the Internet, and was the first brokerage to really focus on
providing consumers with a superior experience for using the Internet and a
better value by giving a rebate. The company started off in 13 markets and has
expanded to 35 markets, combining high-end technology, a very consumer-oriented
approach to service and focusing on helping home sellers to sell their homes and
buyers to find the appropriate home for them.TWST: How does that differ from the other traditional real estate brokerage
companies?Mr. Lashinsky: There are number of ways that ZipRealty differs from traditional
brokerage companies. We'll start with the first one, which is that we're a
consumer-oriented company instead of an agent-oriented company. The decisions
that are made are always focused around what is the better way for consumers to
do this business. So I will give you a couple of pieces that support that. First
of all, when consumers buy a home with us they get a 20% rebate back of our
commission; we do that because we're able to provide for better value than
others. Second, we were the first and, as far as I know, the only national
brokerage that has the customer service guarantee. And so if you are unhappy
with our service for any reason, we will give you additional cash back for
anything. Third is, we continue to invest on the consumer and the Internet side
to bring tools that allow consumers to have a better experience than they could
have other ways. And some the examples of that would be the ability to search
for nearby homes, to put down: here is where I work and I want to see homes
within a mile. The ability to search for homes that have had price reductions,
so you're seeing homes where the sellers have already taken pricing down, or to
see homes that others that have looked at this home have also looked at. So you
can see what others that are interested in what you're looking at have done.
It's very different from a traditional brokerage model.
Finally, ZipRealty has focused on keeping costs down relative to the traditional
model, which is focused very heavily on having store locations and storefronts
in different places. With ZipRealty, we don't have storefronts. The whole focus
is on providing an experience that could be led through the high levels of
technology and letting technology be that investment, in place of the brick and
mortar expense that a traditional brokerage would have.TWST: Typically, what value homes do you mostly transact and who is your typical
customer? Mr. Lashinsky: In most of the markets that we've been in until about a year ago,
we were just slightly over the average in every market we were in. I would tell
you in the last year, we moved a little below the mean as we continued to do
more distressed property and more value-oriented property.
About 50% of our consumers have been first-time homebuyers. So the people who
are looking for their first home, they tend to have a very, very high credit
score. They can be Internet-savvy, well educated. There are consumers who
believe that they should be partners in the process, not being led around by
traditional agents. They don't want an agent to tell them "here is the home that
I think you should buy," it is someone who wants to be a partner in the process,
someone who has grown up using the Internet and they're very, very self-
sufficient in identifying what they want. And what they want is expertise and
someone to help them through the rigors of doing a real estate transaction,
which is very different from most of the things that you buy. Unlike buying a
computer or buying a phone, there are some significant laws, paperwork risk, and
a lot of other things that have to go in to making sure that the home is yours
and is appropriately handled legally. And they are looking for help in that
instead of looking for someone to tell them what home to buy, which is what the
traditional model is all about.TWST: How are you executing your business plan currently, given what is going on
in the housing market?Mr. Lashinsky: We believe that our execution has been superior to anyone else in
the industry. We feel like we've done a very, very good job of execution. There
is always room for improvement and always ways to continue to get better. But I
would tell you, in the third quarter, our volume was up 31%. And if you look at
it on a year over year basis, we've continued to grow on a quarter-by-quarter,
year-over-year basis, which I don't know that many people or anyone in the
industry can talk about. I think we have done that because we've continued to
keep the focus on the consumer, what the consumer is looking for or what the
consumer wants. And then because we centralize the key functions such as
marketing and our product development, we're able to go in and more rapidly
deploy those needs and fulfill the consumer demand in a way that a traditional
company can't. An example of that is, as REO and foreclosure properties have
become more prominent in the last year, we've been able to add those properties
to the available inventory we have on our site. We've been able to give our
agents access to tools that allow them to find those for consumers in a way that
a traditional brokerage would never be able to do.TWST: Are the barriers to entry into your business model very high?Mr. Lashinsky: It's two different levels there. I would say that, if you look at
it on just a plain level, the barriers aren't very high; it is finding great
people and having great resources. However, getting the experience of knowing
what consumers are looking for and changing the dynamic in an industry that's
been more about the agents than about the consumers, that's a very, very
difficult mind shift to make. And then second is the experience that we've
developed through all of the interactions that we've had with millions of
clients through our Web technology and through the processes we have out there.
I think that that barrier is fairly high and then the institutional barrier in
this industry is very, very high. Lots of people have tried lots of models. Most
of them have not succeeded and the reason they haven't succeeded is that they've
not focused enough on execution. And the execution part of this model, like many
others, is probably the most difficult; it's probably the hardest barrier. It's
probably the best barrier to entry we have.TWST: Given the decline in home prices as well as the lower commission structure
that you have, how do you keep your realtors happy?Mr. Lashinsky: We keep our realtors happy by providing the one thing that they
really want and that's the ability to have leads and to work with clients. Our
agents don't spend time going out and trying to find out one or two clients who
they want to work with. Our clients are given all the business that they need to
work with and we give them all the tools that they need and we give them the
resources needed to manage a much more significant database. We provide them
with technology and we provide them with significant levels of support and
training that they can't get anywhere else. One of the things that we found is
that people come in and we're the first place that they have done real estate.
They sometimes believe that they can go somewhere else with just the same kind
of support. And they'll leave and within a couple of months, the vast majority
of them come back and say, "I didn't realize how much I was getting here, I
tried to replicate this somewhere else, but I just couldn't do it."
So whereas even the home prices are down for everyone, that's not an issue that
we deal with, but it's the rebate that is something that we give that nobody
else gives and that does affect agent commission. Well, we think that because
they are given more volume, because they spend their time taking care of clients
instead of looking for clients and because the company pays for all their
marketing support, our agents don't spend money on marketing. They are out
making money as they close deals, not spending money looking for clients. Those
are all advantages we have that keep our agents happy.TWST: Have you noticed any change in trends after TARP and after the federal
regulation and new rules for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to encourage home
buying?Mr. Lashinsky: I'll say two things that we've seen actually. First of all, the
numbers of deals that are going through FHA and Fannie right now are the highest
that we've ever seen in the nine and a half years of the company. So there's
definitely been more there and it has had a huge negative effect on jumbo loans.
The homes that are over the limits wwere going from conventional to jumbo in
every market, and we've seen a real decline there as the requirements have
gotten much, much higher and much more aggressive probably good changes that
needed to take place. Some of the changes that they've made, requiring that
people have to present proof of their income and proof of their ability to buy a
home, are probably good things that should have been done before that weren't.
And in some cases, getting some people who maybe would have bought a home two
years ago and they're not able to buy it right now, we don't think that's a bad
thing. It's probably a settling up that needed to occur and I would think that
that's a positive that needed to take place and, yes, we're seeing that, but
it's not too pronounced.TWST: What's the competition doing while all this is going on?Mr. Lashinsky: I think that the competition is in a bunker mentality, kind of
lying down or just saying "how do we survive through this time?" We're not
seeing much investment, we're not seeing people being aggressive and trying to
steal share. Some people are, but it's very, very rare. Most people are in a
survival mode and the competition right now is asking, "can I survive this or is
this the time for me to exit the business?" We believe this is a fantastic time
to get share. There are lots of consumers who are out there still looking to
buy. Yes, they are looking at low-priced homes, but there's still a lot of
demand out there and we believe that we can do a great job of executing on the
demand side while the competition is kind of scared. The famous Warren Buffett
quote, "I'm nervous when others are greedy and I'm greedy when others are
nervous," well, right now everyone seems to be nervous out there; we think it's
a good time to be greedy going after share.TWST: Would you give us some examples of where you have gained market share?Mr. Lashinsky: In the first two quarters of 2008, we gained market share in
every market we were in. And in the third quarter, there was only one market
that we did not gain market share, but everywhere from Los Angeles, San
Francisco, Boston, Chicago, Minneapolis, even in places like Miami, Orlando and
Texas, we gained share in every one of those markets. And I think that the
reason that we're gaining share is that we're continuing to focus on the
consumer and we make sure that our agents are available and our agents are able
to take care of their demand. If a consumer is looking at a $250,000 REO
property, we're going to show them that $250,000 REO property and show them a
$250,000 non-REO property and let them make the comparison and help them
understand the choices that they are making, but let them make their choice. I'm
not sure that everyone in the industry has that thing focused.TWST: What are your marketing programs to draw potential customers to you? Do
you have any collaborations?Mr. Lashinsky: We don't have any formal partnerships that are out there. We try
and be everywhere on the Internet that consumers are where they look
obviously. We do a lot with Google, we do a lot with Yahoo, we have partnerships
with HomeGain, which is a real estate site that draws a lot of traffic. We have
large affiliate partnerships. Our approach is, wherever consumers are going to
start their real estate search or their real estate transaction. We are an
advertiser on Zillow, for example, we are an advertiser on Trulia. Anywhere
where consumers are going to go to start their real estate transaction, we want
to be there. We want to get ZipRealty in front of them. We want them to know
that when they need help, they need service, they need the best tools available
online, in comes ZipRealty and we will take care of them and we'll provide them
the best service to helping them buy or sell their home.TWST: We understand certain geographies are doing better than others. Are you
concentrating on those areas? And where would they be?Mr. Lashinsky: We continue to concentrate everywhere, but we're trying to take
better advantage of the areas that are doing well. Some of the areas that are
doing well, I think are surprising for most people out there. Some of the
markets that I have seen as the strongest gains recently are the markets where
home prices have dropped most dramatically and where the REO and foreclosed
distressed properties are higher. Some of the examples of that would be the San
Gabriel Valley, the Inland Empire, which has had very significant drops in home
prices and inventory increases, but the volume has been up, and investors are
getting in, and people who were previously priced out of the market for income
reasons are able to get back into it. Las Vegas is another market that is
showing great strength and is starting to return. Phoenix has been a great
market for us. We're seeing good strength there. Investors are actually coming
back into the market, which most people forecast wouldn't happen again till
about 2010. But investors have come back in as they have found that the home
prices are getting down to a more reasonable level and are doing good. Those
have been good areas. Areas that continue to be very difficult include Florida.
Even as home prices were coming down, there was just such an inventory clot
there, and so many new homes built, that continues to be a real challenge. In
the last couple of months, Texas went from being a real stronghold for a long
period of last year and toward the end of the year it's starting to show some
signs of softening and some deterioration, and we're seeing more difficulty in
that market than we had previously seen.TWST: What's the scenario for the next two to three years and your strategy
looking forward?Mr. Lashinsky: For us, the approach is to continue to gain share, focus on
providing consumers with superior experience and service, continue to add
innovations in a way that allows both consumers to have a better experience as
well as to allow our agency to be more effective and more efficient than others.
Our approach is to take the model, continue to expand in the markets that we are
in, to become a much more well-known brand within that center and to focus on
providing a high growth environment where we're able to provide great returns to
our investors, a great place to work for our employees and just a fantastic
experience for our clients.TWST: Would you comment on your corporate culture and the expertise of the key
members of your management team, including yourself?Mr. Lashinsky: I think that we have a corporate culture that's collegial. It's
very, very action-oriented. It's been a process of how we go about making things
different and better today. Our focus on the team is everything should be up for
discussion and everyone should be able to tell us everything. We are very, very
team based, meaning that if we have a marketing decision, someone from HR might
be in on it, sales will definitely be in on it, someone from operations will be
in on it, finance will be a part of it, everybody gets a say in what we're doing
because we believe in the collective wisdom of the crowd and we think we have a
very strong crowd and a great wisdom.
In terms of the management team that we have, my background is mostly from well-
known brand companies. My longest experience was with General Mills where I was
heading up innovation works for them. I worked on brands such as Pop Secret and
Chex Mix, Yoplait yogurt in the Betty Crocker division, working on consumer
oriented approaches. From there I went to Del Monte where I headed up the
innovation groups for them. So my background is primarily working with marketing
companies and with consumer oriented companies.
Our CFO, Lanny Baker, is a great addition to our team. He has been with us just
a little over a month now and his background comes from working with the major
banks; most recently he was at Monster.com as a CFO where he helped them go
through some challenging times and continued their growth pattern in a way that
I think everyone was very impressed with. Previous to that, he had worked at
Citibank, Solomon Smith Barney and Morgan Stanley and was kind of the Internet
expert there and he brings the ability to focus on kind of how you bring
strategy into an Internet and to grow in business and leverage that and scale
back to a greater level.
Genni Combes is a key member of our team. Previously she was at H&Q as an
analyst and she brings the ability to combine information and technology into
actionable, executable activities that we have. Bob Yakominich is the head of
our sales. He was previously Vice President of Sales at American Express and
then moved from there to Citysearch and was a VP of Sales at Citysearch and was
the one who led them through a heavy growth period and really understands how
you take a sales approach and combine strong technology skills with really good
sales skills and match those two. Bill Sinclair was previously the President of
Wyndham Asia and oversaw the running of the Asian operations. He is really an
operational expert who brings the approach of how you manage 35 different
offices that are spread out, that all need to do functions together and
collectively, and now allows us to centralize a lot of functions that allows us
to be a lot more efficient than everybody else.
The collective wisdom of this crowd is such that we have great experts from a
variety of different fields, but everyone's focus is on how we provide consumers
a better experience and how we make our agents more efficient and effective. And
that unity of focus is probably one of the great strengths we have in the team.TWST: How does the balance sheet look to you? Do you expect any major changes in
the near term?Mr. Lashinsky: This is strictly an undercapitalized business where most of the
competitors we have really don't have a balance sheet. So we feel like we are in
a great situation relative to all of our other competitors that are out there.
We have a little more than $50 million of cash on hand. We understand the need
to protect the cash and use it appropriately and wisely in the best interest of
our shareholders. We're doing what we need to do to protect; we've been very
aware of the costs. A little over a year ago, we saw heavy decline coming in the
market and we made some pretty significant cost reductions. We continued to be
cost conscious last year and we feel like we're in a very good position from a
cash standpoint and the balance sheet that we have.TWST: Do you feel your company is well understood by investors? Do you think
you're getting credit for where you are compared to where your competition is?Mr. Lashinsky: No, honestly I don't think that investors really understand. I
think there are a number of reasons. First of all, it's hard to get comps for
business. There is nobody else who is doing exactly what we're doing or doing it
the way we're doing it. And so it's a very difficult comp. It's great to be
compared to Charles Schwab and that's a difficult comparison, it's great to be
compared to eBay, but that's a whole different business from what we're doing.
We don't think that we are the same as Realogy, which was out there in public
for a short period of time, because they don't have the employee model and they
don't have the technology we have. So it's hard to get the comps out there.
Second, I think it's easy for people to see the Website and get an understanding
of that, but the value that we provide to our agents through the backend tools
and the resources we have in that backend is something that I don't think that
most investors really understand or think about. And then third is the approach
that we're taking relative to everyone else in the industry; I don't think it's
apparent. It's different the level of difference in this modeling and the
model of approach that we're taking first, being a consumer-oriented company
because everyone talks about it, but very few people were really are living up
to it, which is really different. I think in an industry where everybody is
private, everyone is small, there is nobody else who is public or has been
before, I think it's very hard to get a good understanding in that environment.
To be the only company at the top, we are doing what we are doing; I think that
makes it more difficult for investors to really have a good handle on us.TWST: How are you addressing that issue?Mr. Lashinsky: The first thing we did, as I mentioned just a minute ago, is we
brought on Lanny Baker as our CFO and one of the things where I think Lanny will
really be able to help us is having a great understanding of what the financial
world is looking for both from an investor standpoint as well as from an analyst
standpoint and the ability to communicate with them in a way that will help them
better understand exactly what the differences are and what the strategic
advantages that we have. Second is, we've been focusing really heavily on
execution in the last 12 to 18 months. We're going to continue to focus on
execution, but during that same time, we're going to try and be a little more
visible and aware and we're going to try and do a better job of going out and
making sure that our messages are appropriate and people understand it. We're
also going to spend a little more time making sure that investors get a chance
to ask us the questions that are important to them and they get a chance to
understand what's important to us and where we're going.TWST: What are some of the benchmarks that you will be targeting for success
over the next year or two? What should investors look for in your balance sheet?Mr. Lashinsky: I think, for us, the key is to continue to focus on whether we
gaining share in this market as the market may continue to decline. For us, the
goal is to continue to gain market share in every market that we're in and
continue to have growth in terms of both transaction volumes and in terms of
revenues that we do to show we'll have a loss this year, they'll have a
significantly smaller loss next year than we have this year. Those are some of
the key metrics that they should be looking for next year. And the ability to
continue to grow our consumer base and our users who are using the site we are
the largest brokerage Website in the whole real estate transaction business. We
are only in 35 markets and we are the third or fourth most trafficked real
estate site in the entire Internet in the real estate sector, and that's in only
35 markets. So if we can continue to do that, do a good job there, continue to
drive consumer adoption and consumer usage of our site, we can continue to make
progress on those indicators. I think that those will be really good benchmarks.TWST: Do you have any final thoughts?Mr. Lashinsky: We think it's going to be an interesting 2009. It's going to be
an interesting housing market. Hopefully, we'll see some stability here in the
near term. But we're going to continue to focus on executing, we're going to
continue to focus on taking care of clients and we'll use that as our approach
and our foundation to grow the business.TWST: Thank you. (WT)PAT LASHINSKY
President & CEO
ZipRealty, Inc.
2000 Powell Street
Suite 300
Emeryville, CA 94608
(510) 735-2600
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Real Estate >> CEO Interview >> January 19, 2009
Pat Lashinsky
Pat Lashinsky
PAT LASHINSKY, President and Chief Executive Officer of ZipRealty, Inc., serves
on the Board of Directors and is responsible for the company vision, planning
and overall strategy in addition to day-to-day oversight of the company's
overall operations and its growth and innovation initiatives. Mr. Lashinsky has
previously served as President, Executive Vice President of Product Strategy and
Development, Vice President of Marketing and Business Development, and as Vice
President of Sales at ZipRealty... More










