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MARK ERICKSON - GASCO ENERGY INC (GASE) DOCUMENT # PAQ229 MARK A. ERICKSON is President, CEO and Director of Gasco Energy, Inc. Mr. Erickson is one of the company Founders and serves as company President and as a Director. Mr. Erickson served as past President of RIS Resources (USA) and as a Director of Pennaco Energy, Inc., a coalbed methane company focused in the Powder River Basin of Wyoming. Mr. Erickson received his MS in Mineral Economics from the Colorado School of Mines. He is a Registered Petroleum Engineer with 18 years of diversified experience in petroleum engineering, business development, finance, strategic planning, marketing and project management. Sector: oil & gas drilling & exploration TWST: Could you bring us up to date on what has gone on at Gasco Energy since we spoke a year ago that investors should focus on? Mr. Erickson: I'd like to highlight five main things that Gasco has accomplished recently. First, we have worked hard since our last interview to tighten our capital structure. To that effect, we have sold 25% of the non-producing assets of the company to an energy company, Brek Energy. Brek owned preferred stock and common stock, which equated to approximately 24% of our capital structure. Brek returned all preferred and common stock to us in exchange for the non-producing assets. Additionally, we gave Brek the option to purchase an additional 5% of the company's non-producing assets for $10.5 million. Second, our lease position is now essentially complete. We have solid positions in two of the top Rocky Mountain Basins, the Uinta Basin of Utah and the Green River Basin of Wyoming, each recognized as two of the top under- exploited natural gas basins in the Rocky Mountains. Third, we have made a couple of key personnel additions. We've added a Controller, Peggy Herald from Hallwood Petroleum, and John Longwell from Prima Energy. Both of these individuals are very experienced and have outstanding reputations within the industry. Fourth, Gasco has drilled two wells in its Riverbend Project in Utah. We've started completions on those wells, and to date there are now nine wells that are either drilling, in various stages of completion, or producing in the Riverbend Project. Those nine wells have been drilled by both Gasco and Phillips Petroleum Company. And finally, in Wyoming, there are now two wells that have been drilled and completed by Burlington. Both of these wells look like they are discoveries ' one well is over pressured, with Jonah-type attributes and the other is normally-pressured ' both are basin-centered gas accumulations. Also in Wyoming, we have entered into a 3-D seismic shoot covering approximately 100 square miles. This shoot will cover our over- pressured discovery, providing us the opportunity to look at the area more closely with sophisticated seismic techniques. Bottom line ' we've been very active since our last interview. TWST: Let's go back and touch on what you've done with the balance sheet, the corporate financials. Having sold off these properties, does that remove the outside ownership position completely? Mr. Erickson: Yes. We transferred those 25% properties for 11 million shares after converting the preferred stock. So it represents a big block of our stock and removes the voting preference that was a part of the preferred shares. TWST: Has that removed Brek completely from the picture? Mr. Erickson: Yes, it has. Brek is now an acreage owner, just like other companies that are involved in our project areas. TWST: From a cash perspective, what do you have at this point? Mr. Erickson: Right now, the company has cash of approximately $2.5 million. We are in a unique position, in that most of the current wells to be drilled in Wyoming and Utah have to be drilled per contractual obligation by our partners. I shouldn't say 'have to be,' but in order for Burlington Resources or Phillips to keep earning in the deals, they need to continue drilling the contractual obligation wells. So, Gasco has the ability to stretch its capital substantially by participating alongside its partners. TWST: That works to your advantage. Mr. Erickson: Right. We are fortunate in that we have the partnerships with Burlington and Phillips. TWST: Looking at the Utah project, among the nine wells, what's the breakdown between producing wells and wells that are being drilled at this point? Mr. Erickson: Right now, there are five wells flowing gas, two wells awaiting completion and one well drilling. Gasco's Federal 23-29 is currently producing into the sales line with two intervals completed and five more to be completed. The company's Federal 42-29 has 10 completion intervals and is currently being connected to the sales line before any completions begin. Gasco also has a workover, the Alger Pass #1, which has been re-stimluated and is currently flowing back frac fluid. Phillips Petroleum has six wells. Four of the six are fully completed, one is awaiting completion and the other is drilling. TWST: What does the production look like relative to expectations? Mr. Erickson: The first three Phillips wells were not completed with the latest completion practices and as a result did not meet our expectations. We are excited because Gasco now has Gasco-operated wells and is applying the latest practices. One of the major differences between what we are currently doing and what Phillips did, is that we lay our flowlines to the wells and then complete them so that they flow immediately to sales. We think it is very important to keep the water off the formations. Tight gas sands tend to soak water like a sponge, which is very detrimental to natural gas production. Phillips has now implemented this procedure in its completion program and its most recent well is looking very encouraging. We are also very excited with the initial completions within our Federal 23-29. In addition, the second well we drilled, the Federal 42-29, encountered one of the thickest pay sections we've seen to date ' 275 feet of pay in the Mesa Verde and 75 feet of pay in the Wasatch. We expect to commence completion on that well within the next 30 days. TWST: Is this all gas production? Mr. Erickson: Yes, we're focused on natural gas production. TWST: Anything else? Mr. Erickson: I am happy to report that our alliances with Halliburton and Caza have been very beneficial to all parties. Through our Halliburton alliance we have utilized a mud system new to the area, the DAP (Di-Ammoniam Phosphate) mud system. The use of this system resulted in a very stable and competent well. This mud system is basically fertilizer in fresh water. So it is very environmentally friendly. Other operators in the area have taken notice of the system and are now adopting it. With Caza, we are currently evaluating a pitless mud system, which is also environmentally friendly. The pitless mud system would eliminate the need for reserve pits, thus maintaining the natural integrity of the land and also results in lower drill-site preparation costs. TWST: What are the plans are for the next couple of quarters? Mr. Erickson: Gasco will continue its completion program in the Uinta Basin. We would also like to begin drilling again. In Wyoming, Burlington currently has plans to drill three additional wells in the Wyoming play. Gasco is currently looking at two old well bores that offer potential recompletion opportunities. These opportunities offset the Burlington discoveries. Burlington will also be shooting an additional 120 miles of high-resolution 2-D seismic. Of course we are also looking forward to the results from the 3-D seismic program over our Grindstone Project. TWST: In terms of drilling programs, what's on tap for the next couple of quarters? Mr. Erickson: The well that Phillips is currently drilling and the three Burlington wells in Wyoming are all part of Gasco's plan. TWST: As you look at all these, where is the big opportunity for you? Mr. Erickson: Right now, we're excited about all three of our projects. Our Grindstone Project in Wyoming is an over pressured basin-center accumulation with Jonah-style attributes. Our Muddy Creek Project in Wyoming is the second opportunity. This prospect is a shallower (less than 10,000-feet deep), normally pressured basin center accumulation, which appears to have regional extension. In Utah, our Riverbend Project continues to progress. It's ahead of Wyoming by probably 12 to 18 months. The project continues to improve. The drilling has further confirmed our geologic models. The completions are improving and we're seeing better results from the current group of wells that are being drilled and completed. The thick pay encountered in the Federal 42-29 is very encouraging. TWST: Why are the more recent wells more productive? Mr. Erickson: I think the main reason in Utah is that the wells are connected to the sales line before being completed. As mentioned before, this enables us to minimize the amount of time that the well might be shut-in with water on the formation. The initial Phillips wells did not have sales lines and the wells were shut-in with fluid sitting over the completed zones. The fluids are then imbibed into the pore spaces, which reduces permeability and then the ability of the wells to flow gas. The use of flow-through flac plugs is also another reason for the better success recently. These plugs also help keep fluid off of the sands. They have the added benefit of expediting the completion program, thus saving capital. One of the exciting conclusions from the first Phillips wells was the confirmation of our geologic models. It's really up to the engineers ' now that we know the gas is there ' to determine the best method to get the gas out economically. TWST: So it really is just improved technology. Mr. Erickson: It is improved technology compared to what was being used in the area, but we are utilizing existing technology. TWST: So it's really a competitive advantage that you have. Mr. Erickson: I think the primary competitive advantage that we have is the experience of the people within this company. The average years of experience of our technical people is 20 years. In Utah, where we have our Halliburton alliance, Halliburton has put a very strong technical team in place to work with us on that project. So another competitive advantage is the alliance with Halliburton and all of the technology they bring to bear on the project. TWST: What kind of gas pricing do you need to make these wells work? Mr. Erickson: We pretty much look at a $2.50 NYMEX price as the economic lower limit of a project's viability. At gas prices above $3.00, the economics look very, very strong. Right now, the Rocky Mountains are suffering from gas-on-gas competition due to pipeline constraints, and a lot of new gas has been brought on in the Rocky Mountains. So prices in the Rockies have been, I would say, abnormally low compared to the NYMEX. We see those problems being alleviated starting this winter with additional demand due to winter heating. Then, the Kern River pipeline expansion is expected to go in service in the second quarter of next year. That's a 900 million cubic feet of gas per day project, which we see as largely de-bottlenecking the Rocky Mountains from that point forward. TWST: So that will solve the constraint problem. Mr. Erickson: Yes, we believe it will. TWST: Is the demand in California there, for that much additional gas? Mr. Erickson: California is a very strong market. Some of the natural gas and electric problems that the state had 18 months ago were indicative of the need in California. It doesn't take much additional economic growth to increase the demand even further. We also see additional strong demand beginning to develop in Nevada. TWST: As we look out over the next couple of quarters, what should investors judge you on? What are the benchmarks or milestones that people should watch for? Mr. Erickson: I think people should continue to monitor our strategy of increasing our net asset value through the drill bit. I'm proud to report that we are on track. We have met our goals of the previous year. We continue to follow through on our business strategy. I think it's important for investors to monitor our well results. We have three projects. All of these projects are in various stages of development. While no single well will make or break any these plays, I think it's important for investors to see the trend of better completions, followed promptly by drilling. I think investors also need to monitor companies' reporting standards, how they conduct their business and how they report their activities to investors. With the addition of our Controller, we are working very closely as a team to insure that we are reporting our financial position and key developments within the company accurately. TWST: Would you say that your accounting is fairly transparent at this point? Mr. Erickson: Very definitely. Being a young, emerging company, an E&P company, our financial reporting is much simpler compared to some of the natural gas marketing companies and trading companies, which have very sophisticated contractual deals or transactions. With a young E&P company, it comes down to how the company is spending its money, what the results are, and how it is reporting those results. TWST: So there's not a whole lot to play with, from your perspective. Mr. Erickson: No. As I mentioned, some of the complicating issues, like the large shareholder and the preferred stock, have been cleared. Our capital structure is now easier to understand. We have acquired the assets that required drilling wells. Now it is a more straightforward company. TWST: With the management additions that you mentioned earlier, do you have the team in place now that you need? Mr. Erickson: Yes, we do. From a technical standpoint and a financial standpoint, we are very strong. Any future additions to the company would be primarily support staff, associated with any type of large development program. TWST: As you've gone through this evolutionary phase, what has that done to the corporate culture? Mr. Erickson: Look at the people on our team. We have maintained a strong technical team, a group that is very technically oriented. We've worked real hard to get experienced, independent workers in place, and we shore them up with key contractual people. We don't want our expert technical people becoming administrators. We want them to grow the company. You might say that we tend to be a virtual company ' virtual in the sense that we have a strong technical team and try to outsource administrative functions so as not to dilute that technical effort. The team that we have in place is very capable of growing Gasco, of taking this company to the next level. TWST: In terms of the relationships you have with your partners, how long term are those? Mr. Erickson: We expect our relationships with Burlington and Phillips to be in place for the long term. In both of those projects ' in Utah and Wyoming ' we have structured the deals to retain significant acreage positions, retain large working interests and our own areas of operations. We look at our partnerships as beneficial both from a technology standpoint ' working with major companies to unlock the resource and to enjoy the benefits of their drilling ' and from a developing asset standpoint. Meaning capitalizing on their obligations to grow the projects while we retain significant offset acreage positions. And, since these relationships are very important to us, we work hard at ensuring that all parties benefit. TWST: How do you feel about Gasco's current market value? Mr. Erickson: Like most CEOs right now, I'm very disappointed with the stock market in general and the effect that it's had not only on Gasco, but on the entire energy sector. I think it's very important to have a healthy market for energy companies so as to meet this nation's needs. A strong capital market gives us more flexibility in raising capital and growing our business. That, in turn, results in more energy supply ' which the nation needs. I'm concerned that there will be a significant drop in the nation's natural gas production this year, and that drop is going to be very difficult for energy companies to make up. Prior to this drop in production, the industry had been going full tilt for some 18 months, and we were only able to increase natural gas supply by 1%-2%. If we lose 4%-6% of supply this year due to soft natural gas prices and uncertainties in the market ' and you can see it in the rig count that's dropped from probably 1,200 rigs to 800 ' it is going to be very difficult for the industry to make up in its current state of being undercapitalized and in a manpower shortage. We will not be able just to turn the valve on and meet the energy needs. If the economy turns around and production drops, we see continuing volatility in the natural gas market. And if prices do jump, that's not necessarily a good thing for the industry or for the consumers. We'd like to see predictable, profitable prices for the long term. That would be a positive for industry and a positive for consumers. TWST: When you sit down with investors, what are the two or three reasons you give them today to take a look at Gasco? Mr. Erickson: First and foremost is the growth potential of the company. Our business strategy is focused on creating net asset value. We have three key projects that all look viable. These projects all have the individual potential to be significant to Gasco, but the combined effect of all of these prospects could potentially evolve Gasco into a trillion-cubic-foot-plus type company. The upside of this company may be substantial. Next, I would focus investors on our people. Our core team is very experienced, technically oriented, with a solid reputation and a great track record of building companies and achieving success within our focus area, the Rocky Mountains. Third, I would underscore our strong industry relationships ' our partnerships with Burlington, with Phillips Petroleum, with Halliburton, with Caza. These are industry leaders and those partnerships are important to us. They validate what we're doing. They bring a lot of technical power to bear on the projects that we're working and increase the chance of success. TWST: As you look at the company today, what's the risk? What keeps you up at night? Mr. Erickson: The risk, I would say, is typical of small cap and micro- cap companies. It's that the ability of the company to raise additional funds is always at the forefront of our thought process. How do we maintain a clean, simple capital structure and keep the company adequately capitalized to execute on its business strategy? Additionally, investors need to focus on how our projects are perceived. Are we continuing with the trend of improvement on our projects? Ultimately, it's going to come down to dollars and the success of our projects. TWST: Given that concern ' and given your good projects and tight funding ' does that make you a target for somebody? Mr. Erickson: That's not something that we are out seeking. We are not seeking a merger candidate or someone to come in and acquire us right now. We think that's premature. But have we caught the attention of the industry in the Rocky Mountains? Absolutely! For a small company like this to have put together the substantial positions it has, in what I believe are the top two Rocky Mountain natural gas basins. I'm sure that as we progress and demonstrate additional success, there will be people who will be interested in acquiring Gasco. In fact, that's our ultimate exit strategy. We have a three- to five-year business plan to create value, to wring the risk out of the projects, and to sell the company to an acquire-and-exploit-type organization. We see our niche as creating value ' going in early, identifying the projects, and proving them. In the long haul, it makes more sense for companies with larger balance sheets, more financial flexibility and lower cost of capital, to come in and develop these assets. When that time comes we will look at selling the company and moving on to the next project. On the other hand, we have the management team in place that's capable of developing these assets and growing the company, if that's the path we choose to follow. TWST: Is there anything else we should have touched on? Mr. Erickson: To recap, the last seven months since we spoke have been very exciting for Gasco. We've seen our projects mature substantially. We think we have improved the capital structure to make it simpler and easier to understand. We have strengthened our team. We have moved ahead and executed on our business strategy and continue to see improvements and positive trends on all of our projects. TWST: Thank you. (TM) MARK A. ERICKSON President, CEO Gasco Energy, Inc. 14 Inverness Drive Suite 236, Building H Englewood, CO 80112 (303) 483-0044 (303) 483-0011 - FAX www.gascoenergy.com e-mail: info@gascoenergy.com Each Executive who is the featured subject of a TWST Interview is offered the opportunity to include a Corporate Profile or other highlight material to be provided and sponsored by and for the company. This Interview with Mark A. Erickson, President & CEO, Gasco Energy, Inc. is accompanied by a Corporate Profile containing corporate information. Copyright 2002 The Wall Street Transcript Corporation All Rights Reserved The Wall Street Transcript (TWST) interviews are published verbatim, and TWST does not in any way endorse or guarantee the accuracy of any information or opinions expressed herein and all opinions are subject to change without notice. Nothing herein constitutes a solicitation to buy or sell any securities. 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