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STEVEN WILLIAMS - PETROLEUM DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION (PETD) DOCUMENT # MAZ204 STEVEN R. WILLIAMS has been the President and a Director of Petroleum Development Corporation since joining the company in 1983. Mr. Williams has nearly 20 years of oil and gas operations experience, including service with Exxon, Texas Oil and Gas, and Exco Enterprises. An Engineer with an MBA, he has the training and experience to direct PDC's extensive operations in six states. Mr. Williams has served as a member of the Resources Committee of the Interstate Oil and Gas Commerce Commission, the Executive Committee of the Independent Petroleum Association of America (IAFP) and the Board of Directors of the Independent Oil and Gas Association of West Virginia (IOGA). He also served as President of the Independent Oil and Gas Association of West Virginia, and Chairman of the West Virginia Public Energy Authority. Sector: independent oil & gas TWST: Can we start with a history and overview of Petroleum Development Corporation? Mr. Williams: Petroleum Development Corporation became a public company in 1969 and operated exclusively in the Appalachian Basin for almost 30 years. In 1997, we started geographic expansion to US onshore areas where we can leverage our extensive technical and geological expertise. The geographic expansion is a fundamental part of our business plan going forward. Another significant event from an historical standpoint is our sponsoring of drilling partnerships. In 1984, we began to form partnerships as the general partner. Our work in public partnerships commenced in 1989. The public partnerships represent, for us, a built-in joint venture partner for the drilling projects that we do. Through the hard work of more than 100 broker-dealer firms nationwide, we have become what I believe to be the largest seller of public drilling projects in the country at this point in time; last year we raised a record $55 million through that source. TWST: Why Appalachia? What's the appeal? Mr. Williams: We started here because this is where the founders were located. They had done some drilling here and operated here. The Appalachian Basin provides a good place for a beginning company ' it has relatively inexpensive wells, it is close to end-use markets so you have good, strong pricing, and the technology and geology is pretty basic. What we've found, as we've grown bigger, particularly over the last few years, is that you reach a point where the relatively low cost of Appalachian Basin wells becomes something of a challenge. If you have $50 million in investment capital, you need to drill 200 or 300 wells in the Appalachian Basin. The same $50 million investment would require only 40-50 wells in Colorado's Piceance Basin, for example, and we expect to get significantly more reserves and production for the same investment. It takes just about as much work to plan and prepare to drill a $200,000 well as it does a $1 million well. One of the things we found is that, as we were more and more successful with our partnerships, we needed to drill fewer wells with greater reserves in order to be able to get the work done more effectively. That led to our geographic expansion in 1997, into Michigan, for the Antrim Shale wells, and more recently in 1999 into the Rocky Mountain region, in particularly Colorado's Wattenberg Field in the DJ Basin and Grand Valley field in the Piceance Basin. TWST: Your original market is Pennsylvania, and West Virginia, then Michigan, and most recently the Rocky Mountains ' is there anybody else in the marketplace? Mr. Williams: In Michigan the Antrim shale is pretty fully developed. The Antrim shale has been the driving force in Michigan for the last 10 years or so, and I think the drilling activity there has tapered off a good bit. The Appalachian Basin activity is also relatively calm. There has been an increase in activity with the price surges, but activity has not climbed back up like some of the other areas of the country. A lot of people in the industry expect the Rockies to be the big growth area onshore in the United States for natural gas development. We foresaw that several years ago and have acquired a pretty good acreage position there. We've seen the activity in the Rockies increase much more than our other operating areas over the last 12 to 18 months. TWST: What is your position in the Rockies now? Mr. Williams: We have over 70,000 acres, including about 200 development locations in Wattenberg Field and 20-30 development locations in the Piceance Basin. TWST: What do you bring to that geography that wasn't there? Mr. Williams: When we began our geographic expansion, we began by assessing our capabilities. Our experience was drilling shallow, natural gas, development wells in the Appalachian Basin. Both the Michigan Antrim Shale Project and the Rocky Mountain projects we are pursuing share a lot of characteristics with the Appalachian Basin. The projects we're looking at are relatively shallow natural gas projects. In both the Piceance Basin and Wattenberg Field, there are large areas where you can drill wells with a very high probability of developing a successful, producing well. Not all wells are equal, but the driving force is being able to drill, complete, and put wells into production quickly, efficiently, and economically. So, they are quite similar to the Appalachian Basin. TWST: What have you done in the Rockies so far? Mr. Williams: We've drilled just over 100 wells there between Wattenberg Field and the Piceance Basin. The majority of about 85 of the wells are in Wattenberg Field and about 15 are in the Piceance Basin. We also acquired, in 1999 and 2000, about 228 producing wells in Wattenberg Field. Many of the wells have recompletion potential in the Codell formation. We're continuing to pursue both acquisition and development opportunities in the area. TWST: What's been the success rate? Mr. Williams: So far, our success rate in both areas is over 90%. They're both very high percentage completion rate type plays. The Piceance Basin targets natural gas, while Wattenberg Field wells produce both oil and gas production. TWST: What is the mix of production that you have today? Mr. Williams: We're between 85% and 90% natural gas. We were essentially 100% natural gas until we got into Wattenberg Field, so it has added on the order of 10% to 15% oil to our mix. TWST: As we look out over the next year or two, what are the drilling plans? Mr. Williams: We expect to continue to focus very heavily on the two fields that we've been talking about: Piceance and Wattenberg. We are also looking at additional plays in the Rocky Mountain region. In Utah, we recently farmed into an opportunity to drill some wells in an old field that we think has additional development potential. We're in the process of getting ready to drill a well there. There's also some work over potential in the existing field wells in that project. We're looking in Utah, Wyoming, and Colorado for additional natural gas drilling opportunities. We expect to continue to add to our opportunity inventory over the next year or two. TWST: Have you set out how many wells you're going to develop over the next year or two? Mr. Williams: Our capital budget is $25 million in 2001, and will probably be $25 million to $30 million (net to PDC) next year. Depending on the well mix, we should add 30-50 new wells each year. Including our partnerships, we will need to drill well over 100 wells each year. TWST: When you do these drilling partnerships, are they partially tax- based? Mr. Williams: Yes. They can be a very attractive tax-advantaged investment. They afford the investors in the partnership a significant initial write-off, about 87% of the investment, and offer ongoing tax advantages from depletion. TWST: Are there any changes in the tax codes that are going to affect us? Mr. Williams: At this point in time, I don't see any on the horizon. There are a number of efforts going on by industry groups to get additional tax advantages. I am a skeptic as far as the probability of success for new tax benefits. TWST: For investors in Petroleum Development Corporation, what can they expect from you in the way of growth over the next two or three years? Mr. Williams: We've been growing rapidly for the past decade and we expect to continue to do so. Including Q-1 2001, our investors have enjoyed 26 consecutive quarters with net income. This year our growth will be driven by increased partnership sales, increased production and strong product prices. Our production growth target is 30%-40% per year. TWST: Do you have the properties to support that kind of expectation? Mr. Williams: Yes. We have on in the order of 200 to 300 locations in Wattenberg Field, and we've got a large acreage position in the Piceance Basin, with at last 20-30 proved undeveloped locations. Given the geology of the Piceance Basin, we expect to generate additional proved undeveloped locations as we continue drilling. TWST: The growth we're talking about, I'm sure, is internal. Are there any expectations of doing acquisitions? Mr. Williams: We're constantly looking for targeted acquisitions in our core areas. We've made several acquisitions over the last four or five years. As a matter of fact, acquisitions were a significant part of the reserve growth last year. Between a third and half of the reserve and production growth last year was attributable to acquisitions. We've got our ear to the ground, especially in the Rockies. When prices were really high, it was difficult for buyers and sellers to reach agreement on value. With prices stabilizing somewhat, it may become easier. I anticipate we'll have additional acquisitions in our future when we find the right property ' at the right price. TWST: What are you looking for? Mr. Williams: Basically, one of two things. We are interested, primarily, in natural gas, and we like acquisition opportunities that either add to our position in an area where we are already an operator or which help us launch a new operation in an area where we want to drill. For example, we would look at additional producing properties in the Appalachian Basin or Wattenberg Field or the Piceance Basin as being very attractive. We're not really interested in owning piecemeal- producing properties all over the country. We'd rather maintain several focused development areas and use our acquisitions to help build critical mass or to add to the economies of scale if we already have a significant operation. TWST: What do you need in the way of pricing to make all this work? Mr. Williams: It's tough at $2 for anybody. I think NYMEX prices in excess of $3 will keep us going. The farther they go above $3, the faster everything happens and the better it goes. At $4, we're extremely profitable. TWST: What's the spread of your production now between your older markets and the Rockies? Mr. Williams: We're pretty nearly a third, a third, a third, (Appalachian, Michigan, Rocky Mountains) which I think is pretty good given we've only been in Michigan for four years and the Rockies for two. To have that kind of split in production that quickly is a strong indication of the success of our geographic diversification efforts. TWST: Do you have the capital to support your drilling plans? Mr. Williams: Yes. We're in excellent financial condition. Our leverage is very low by industry standards. Currently, we have about $15 million in debt. Our market cap, has remained north of $100 million for some time, so our debt is less that 20% of our capitalization. As a result we've got a lot of incremental debt capacity that we can use to fund acquisitions or additional drilling. We tend to try to match borrowing with acquisitions and to fund drilling from cash flow. The more predictable cash flow of an acquisition helps to reduce the risk associated with borrowing. We have strong cash flow out of our production and partnership operations to fund our drilling activity. About half of our drilling right now is being funded by profits from partnership activities, with the balance being funded by cash flow from production. TWST: What's the risk here, other than pricing? Mr. Williams: We have historically been less risky than most oil and gas companies that rely solely on their profits from production. The partnerships have provided us with a smoothing effect. Oil and gas pricing are a significant issue for us, as for any oil and gas company. A significant drop in prices would impact both our oil and gas sales, as well as our partnership sales. In the intermediate to longer term, being able to generate quality prospects fast enough is a challenge, especially since we need to always supply both PDC's needs and the needs of our partnerships. TWST: As far as acquisitions, are valuations attractive? Mr. Williams: So far this year we haven't found one that we were interested in and that we thought was priced right. We will continue to look but if the price isn't right we aren't buying. There is a steady stream of new properties on the market, so I'm optimistic. TWST: How do you feel about the value the market is currently putting on your company? Mr. Williams: I don't think the market is giving us credit for the growth that we anticipate. We expect earnings of around $1 per share in 2001. Historically, we've traded at roughly 10 times our earnings. Right now we're trading at right around 7 times that expected earnings. If we reach $1.00 per share of earnings, we think our price should be closer to $10.00 per share. This has been a real show-me market, though, as far as oil and gas stock prices go. TWST: Is that the issue, people want to see the numbers? Mr. Williams: I think so. I don't think many oil and gas companies get credit for growth potential. TWST: When you talk to investors, what are they concerned about, in your case? Mr. Williams: What are gas and oil prices going to do? Can we continue to increase production? Can we generate enough drilling prospects for both PDC and the partnerships? We are bullish on prices over the next several years, have an excellent acreage position, and see continuing strong partnership sales. While success is never guaranteed, we are in an excellent position to continue profitable growth. TWST: What two or three reasons would you give to investors to buy your stock today? Mr. Williams: One is the success of our geographic diversification. Our growth in production and reserves over the last five years has been pretty spectacular. Given our position in the Rocky Mountains, we're in an excellent position to expand our operations there, and to continue our production and reserve growth. Helping to fund growth is our successful partnership program. We've gone from $30 million to $50 million, and we think we are looking at $70 million this year in partnership subscriptions. This will help to accelerate our growth. TWST: Thank you. (TM) STEVEN R. WILLIAMS President & CEO Petroleum Development Corporation 103 East Main Street Bridgeport, WV 26330 (304) 842-3597 (800) 624-3821 - TOLL FREE (304) 842-0913 - FAX www.petd.com e-mail: petd@petd.com Each Executive who is the featured subject of a TWST Interview is offered the opportunity to include an Investors Brief or other highlight material to be provided and sponsored by and for the company. This Interview with Steven R. Williams, President & CEO, Petroleum Development Corp., is accompanied by an Investors Brief containing corporate information. Copyright 2001 The Wall Street Transcript Corporation All Rights Reserved The Wall Street Transcript (TWST) interviews are published verbatim, and TWST does not in any way endorse or guarantee the accuracy of any information or opinions expressed herein and all opinions are subject to change without notice. Nothing herein constitutes a solicitation to buy or sell any securities. 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