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BRYCE RHODES - WHITTIER ENERGY CORPORATION (WHIT) DOCUMENT # ABA614 BRYCE W. RHODES has been President, Chief Executive Officer and a Director of Whittier Energy Corporation since September 2003. Mr. Rhodes was a Vice President of Whittier Energy from its incorporation in 1991 through September 2003. In that capacity he managed all aspects of its acquisition and exploration investments and its day-to-day activities. Since April 1999, he has served on the Board of Directors of PYR Energy Corporation, a public oil and gas exploration company. Mr. Rhodes also served as an investment analyst for the M. H. Whittier Corporation, an independent oil company, from 1985 until 1991. Sector: oil & gas drilling & exploration TWST: What is Whittier Energy? Mr. Rhodes: Whittier Energy is an exploration and production company, whose strategy is to acquire and exploit producing properties, while also maintaining exposure to exploration opportunities. We intend to build the company to an attractive size and sell it or merge it at an appropriate time. Our operated properties are in the Gulf Coast area and currently there are five in Texas and three in Louisiana. To date, most of the exploration ventures we have participated in have been generated by third parties. As a result, we are very opportunistic in the kinds of things we participate in, and we have non-operated projects in Texas, Oklahoma, Wyoming and California. We are operating two exploration projects: one in Texas and one in Louisiana. TWST: What was the genesis of the company? Mr. Rhodes: The current entity has grown from a company that was created in 1991, which was seeded with various non-operated assets that were owned by the Whittier family. The largest of those assets was a fee mineral interest in 2,600 acres in South Texas, which was producing royalty income. The mandate for Whittier Energy was to reinvest the cash flow and grow the company. This was done by participating in exploration ventures and acquisitions of producing properties in a process of continuously reinvesting its cash flow. By the end of 2002, the asset base had grown to approximately $5 million debt-free, but there was very little opportunity for paying dividends or for providing liquidity for the shareholders. The decision was made to change our strategy. We were given a green light to acquire producing properties that we would operate and to employ debt in so doing. Since early 2002, we have acquired the eight properties. We have grown our asset base to more than $25 million, and we have an enterprise value of approximately $30 million. We have taken our operating production from zero to approximately 1,100 barrels a day, and we currently have a little less than 3 million barrels of oil equivalent in reserves. TWST: What is your overall view of the areas in which you are active as far as geography and the value you have in your own assets? Where does that fit into oil and gas as an industry, as pricing and other dynamics have an impact on you as you review your strategies and goals with this company? Mr. Rhodes: I'll talk in terms of the opportunities that we see and some of the competitive situations that we face. As a small company, we have been able to acquire properties that are under the radar screen of a lot of our larger competitors. Most of our acquisitions have been relatively small, well under $10 million, and they are just not big enough for many larger companies we would otherwise compete with and a little too large for many 'mom and pop' operators. As a result, we have been able to use equity and bank debt to close on quite a few acquisitions. We have tended to pass on acquisition opportunities being marketed on a competitive bid basis. Instead,we have sought out situations where we could sit down and negotiate directly with a seller and work toward concluding a transaction. As a result, our percentage of succesfull transactions is very high and we spend less money and fewer resources looking at deals. On an overall basis, where we operate, in the Gulf Coast, there are still significant opportunities for companies of all sizes. It is a very competitive area, and one needs to be very careful about not paying too much and understanding the assets as much as possible. TWST: What is the agenda at this point? What are your priorities for Whittier Energy over the next 12 to 24 months? Mr. Rhodes: Our main engine of growth has been through acquisitions and mergers. We went public by merging with a small company via a reverse takeover. Its assets included cash and cash flow from interests in some rapidly declining gas wells in California. We also raised $2.4 million of new equity in a private placement in June 2004. We believe our major future growth opportunities will be similar in terms of both acquisitions and potential mergers. It is difficult to predict when or if something will happen. We are always looking and any opportunity of a sizable nature will most likely require additional equity, but at the same time, we have quite a few projects on our plate as a result of the things that we have acquired ' opportunities to develop and drill internal exploitation wells and pursue some exploration projects. TWST: What are the difficulties in finding suitable acquisition targets today? What are your criteria? Again, how real is the market when you look at the opportunities? Mr. Rhodes: One criterion in terms of operated assets is that they be in our core area, which is the Gulf Coast of Texas and Louisiana. If a large and interesting opportunity outside of that area became real for us, it would have to be of a size that justified opening another office. Our other basic criteria are negotiated deals in our core operating area, involving assets that have upside that we can realize and add value to. In terms of the marketplace, sellers are very proud of their assets in this high commodity price environment. The days of $18 oil and $2 gas are probably well behind us at this point in time, so buyers need to adjust their acquisition pricing criteria. We utilize hedging tools and the futures market to reduce our downside risk. The basic strategy for acquiring properties is still viable, but the numbers have changed. We also believe that there may be some significant merger opportunities with other companies both public and private where management is near retirement age and wants to cash out. In the case of public companies, particularly small ones, the cost of compliance is very high in money and resources.. We have set ourselves up to be able to work in this Sarbanes-Oxley environment. So there may be some opportunities to combine with companies whose management would just as soon not deal with the high costs and headaches of the current public company arena. TWST: Introduce us to your top-level management team and give us your assessment as you look at bench strengths and skill sets. Are there areas you'll be looking to augment? Mr. Rhodes: I have been in the industry for 25 years. I have a geology undergraduate degree, and I have a business degree. Most of my career has been looking at the industry and participating from the investment side. Our COO , Dan Silverman has degrees in petroleum engineering and mineral economics. He has spent most of his career working on producing property acquisitions and divestitures on behalf of several very active companies, including Apache and Torch Energy Advisors. He brings that skill set to bear in a very important way for Whittier. Our CFO, Michael Young, has a Big Six accounting background with emphasis on oil and gas tax. He worked as CFO of a small public company and, as a result, has a lot of experience in terms of dealing with SEC issues, compliance concerns and reporting requirements. As far as adding new skills, we will probably be looking to employ additional engineering and geologic talent. We have recently hired an engineer to help out on the operations side, and we use consulting geologists and geophysicists. We outsource quite a bit currently, both on the financial side and on the technical side and in our field operations, we use contract pumpers. We have worked hard to keep our employee count low and, as a result, our costs down. TWST: What historically has been the shareholder base with the company? Has that base undergone any changes or transitions? Mr. Rhodes: From a private company that was owned 100% by the Whittier family, we are now a public company with a much broader shareholder base. Approximately 80% of the stock is still controlled by the Whittier family, but as new equity is issued, over time, that may change. We recently registered a block of shares, which included those from the private placement we did in June. It will add additional shares to our float and hopefully create opportunities for new shareholders. TWST: In talks with your current investors, are there any misperceptions you encounter about what they see as Whittier and what you see as the reality? Mr. Rhodes: As a very small company, what we run up against most is that though generally people seem to appreciate the story and like it, some potential investors are unable to invest as a result of our Bulletin Board listing and small float and, therefore, lack of liquidity. We are working hard to get our story out and will continue to do so. We would like WHIT to be listed on an exchange and, as the company grows, we expect to qualify for either an AMEX or a NASDAQ listing. TWST: What compels investors to review Whittier Energy and include it in their current portfolios and in their longer-term investment strategies? Mr. Rhodes: Certainly, in the short term for the last couple of years, our track record speaks for itself. We have upped our proved reserves over 900%; our average daily production is up over 600% from the January 1, 2002 to September 30, 2004 reporting period. We have developed a diversified and long life, stable reserve base with a dedicated and experienced management team. We have a nice portfolio of low-cost, low- risk exploitation projects in our core areas, and those involve both operated and non-operated opportunities. We are continuing to look for new acquisitions or merger opportunities, and we are a small, early stage growth company, so relatively minor transactions and exploration successes can have a material impact on our bottom line and, therefore, our value. Also, we have a pretty strong balance sheet, which is providing us flexibility for continued growth. One thing that investors should note is that we believe we are selling at the low end of many of the common valuation metrics such as cash flow per share, EBITDA per share, dollars per net daily barrel of oil equivalent (BOE) or thousand cubic feet of gas (Mcfe) of production or dollars per net proved BOE or MCFE. That, I think in part is a function of the liquidity issues that I mentioned. As we get the story out there and grow in size, hopefully, we will approach a more normal valuation in terms of the metrics that are typically used by investors. TWST: Thank you. (DWA) BRYCE W. RHODES President & CEO Whittier Energy Corporation 333 Clay Street Suite 1100 Houston, TX 77002 (713) 850-1880 (713) 850-1879 ' FAX www.whittierenergy.com e-mail: info@whittierenergy.com Copyright 2005 The Wall Street Transcript Corporation All Rights Reserved The Wall Street Transcript (TWST) interviews are published verbatim, and TWST does not in any way endorse or guarantee the accuracy of any information or opinions expressed herein and all opinions are subject to change without notice. Nothing herein constitutes a solicitation to buy or sell any securities. TWST interviews with CEOs or other senior executives may include "forward-looking statements", which are based on factors that involve risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied. TWST shall have no liability whatsoever for any trading losses arising out of use of this information. Copyright 2003 Wall Street Transcript Corporation. All Rights Reserved. |